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Textbook Case of FBI Grooming a Troubled Young Man to Commit Violent Crime

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By John Leake

Schizophrenic Jerry Drake Varnell was encouraged and assisted by an undercover FBI agent in “foiled” plot to blow up BancFirst building in Oklahoma City

In researching the strange cases ofĀ Thomas Matthew CrooksĀ andĀ Luigi Mangione, I have wondered with whom they were in contact, and if they were possibly groomed, by an undercover FBI whoā€”for reasons that are unclearā€”wished to incite these young men to participate in violent crimes.

I first started wondering about FBI grooming when I learned about an undercover FBI agentā€™s involvement in the 2015 plot to attack a convention at the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas (see my postĀ “Tear Up Texas”: FBI Encouraged a 2015 Shooting & Did Nothing to Stop It).

This morning I learned about the remarkable case of a 23-year-old diagnosed schizophrenic named Jerry Drake Varnell whoā€”with the encouragement and assistance of an undercover FBI agent in 2017ā€”participated in what he believed was a plot to blow up the BancFirst building in downtown Oklahoma City. He was found guilty in 2019. In 2020 he was sentenced to 25 years in prison ā€œfor attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction at BancFirst in downtown Oklahoma City.ā€

According to the US Attorneyā€™s OfficeĀ press releaseĀ on the conviction:

At trial, the jury heard testimony from an informant who made recordings of his conversations with Varnell. It also heard from the undercover FBI agent who helped Varnell build what he thought was a bomb, an FBI bomb technician, and others. It listened to numerous recordings in which Varnell planned the attack and reviewed numerous written electronic communications that corroborated his intent. Furthermore, it heard the testimony of a defense expert concerning Varnellā€™s mental health. Through its verdicts, the jury concluded any mental health problems did not prevent Varnell from forming the intent required for conviction.Ā It also determined the FBI did not entrap him.

To me, what is most striking about this caseā€”apart from the fact that the offender was a diagnosed schizophrenicā€”is how he drew the attention of federal law enforcement. AsĀ reported by KGOUĀ (an Oklahoma NPR station):

Government witnesses said they deemed Varnell a threatĀ based on his online activity such as ā€œlikingā€ anti-government groups on Facebook and messages referencing Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Tyler Durden, a split personality character from the 1999 film ā€œFight Club.ā€Ā Agents also said Varnell claimed he had built homemade explosives during conversations with undercover FBI agent Williams and an FBI informant named Brent Elisens.

As was repeatedly pointed out by Varnellā€™s defense attorney:

Varnell isĀ a diagnosed schizophrenic. He told federal agents that his anti-government sentiments started around age 16, the same age his parents say his schizophrenic episodes began.

Defense attorneys asked FBI agents if they knew of Varnellā€™s paranoid schizophrenia.Ā Retired FBI agent Jennifer Schmidtz, who testified Wednesday, said she knew of ā€œallegationsā€Ā in a Custer County case involving Varnell and self-reported mental health issues in Varnellā€™s college transcripts. In a 2017 statement, Varnell’s parents claimed he has been institutionalized on multiple occasions.

The defense has team also focused on anĀ FBI report from Dec. 2016 that stated, ā€œVarnell does not have a job or a vehicle. The threat has not been repeated. Varnell does not have the means to commit the act at this time.ā€

By August 2017, the defense pointed out, Varnell was still unemployed and without a car.Ā ā€¦

Varnellā€™s property was searched the day of his arrest, andĀ Schmidtz, who supervised the search, testified there was no physical evidence showing Varnell experimented with chemicals capable of causing an explosion. The search did uncover a speech written by Varnell laiden with conspiracy theories about developing psychotropic drugs, the Clintons and Timothy McVeigh.

During cross examinations the defense continued to point out that Varnell never followed through on pieces of the plan he was responsible for, like choosing a time and place and supplying barrels.Ā Varnell came up with a list of locations after encouragement from undercover agent Williams,Ā and he settled on the on the BancFirst location after Williams took him to scout the location on July 13. He suggested Nov. 5 as an attack date, butĀ Williams said it was too far away. And Varnell never supplied barrels, so Williams provided them.

In other words, ā€œundercover agent Williamsā€ was the chief planner and executor of the apparent plot. Jerry Varnell participated in this plot with the encouragement of undercover agent Williams and under the direction of undercover agent Williams.

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FBI imposed Hunter Biden laptop ā€˜gag orderā€™ after employee accidentally confirmed authenticity: report

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Two independent journalists found that the FBI could have set the record straight by confirming the laptop was real and the subject of an ongoing criminal probe. Instead, FBI leadership allowed the false narrative about the laptop to gain momentum.

In a shocking report published on X, independent journalists Catherine Herridge and Michael Shellenberger revealed that an FBI agent accidentally confirmed to Twitter (now known as ā€œXā€) that the Hunter Biden laptop story was real less than three weeks before the 2020 election.

ā€œFor the first time, and with a change of administration, the FBI has now turned over to GOP House investigators the internal chat messages that show Bureau leadership actively silenced its employees,ā€Ā HerridgeĀ andĀ Shellenberger wrote on X.

ā€œThe FBI, which had a special task force to counter foreign election interference, could have set the record straight by confirming the laptop was real and the subject of an ongoing criminal probe,ā€ the journalists explained. ā€œInstead, FBI leadership allowed the false narrative about the laptop to gain momentum.ā€

ā€œIn 2024, an FBI official admitted to House investigators that an FBI employee had inadvertently confirmed the authenticity of Hunter Bidenā€™s laptop to Twitter on a conference call the morning of October 14, 2020, the day theĀ New York PostĀ published a story about it,ā€ Shellenberger wrote.

ā€œI recall that when the question came up, an intelligence analyst assigned to the Criminal Investigative Division said something to the effect of, ā€˜Yes, the laptop is real,ā€™ā€ testified the then-Russia Unit Chief of the FBIā€™s Foreign Influence Task Force in a closed-door transcribed interview,ā€ according to Herridge and Shellenberger. ā€œI believe it was an (Office of General Counsel) attorney assigned to the (Foreign Influence Task Force) stepped in and said, ā€˜We will not comment further on this topic.ā€™ā€

They recounted this exchange:

An individual whose name is blacked out, tells Elvis M. Chan, the San Francisco-based FBI special agent tasked with interacting with social media companies, there was a ā€œgag orderā€ on discussion of Hunter Bidenā€™s laptop. In a separate exchange, Chan is told ā€œofficial response no commen(t).ā€

In the chat, the FBI officials showed awareness that the laptop may have contained evidence of criminal activity.

Asked Chan, ā€œactually what kind of case is the laptop thing? corruption? campaign financing?ā€

Another FBI employee responds, ā€œCLOSE HOLD ā€”ā€ after which the response is redacted.

To which Chan responds, ā€œoh crap,ā€ appearing to underscore the serious nature of the probe, which included felony tax charges. Chan adds, ā€œok. It ends here.ā€

In the same conversation, Chan is asked if ā€œanyone discussing that NYPost article on the Bidenā€™s?ā€Ā  Chan responds, ā€œyes we are. c d confirmed an active investigation. No further comment.ā€Ā  ā€œC Dā€ is likely shorthand for the FBIā€™s Criminal Division.

Said another FBI employee, whose name was redacted by the Bureau, ā€œplease do not discuss biden matter.ā€

Itā€™s now common knowledge that national security agencies ā€” including the FBI and CIA, Big Tech, and much of corporate media ā€” colluded in suppressing truth and manufacturing lies in order to drag their preferred candidate, Joe Biden, across the finish line in the 2020 presidential election.

Incriminating evidence discovered on the laptop that Hunter Biden had long ago abandoned at a computer repair shop ā€” reported on in two devastating pieces by theĀ New York Post at the time ā€” was ignored by mainstream media, fraudulently dismissed by former national intelligence officials, and essentially made inaccessible to the public by Big Tech social media sites Twitter and Facebook.

The computer contained emails showing that then-Vice President Biden had come under the influence of bad actors in Ukraine and Communist China and had used his powerful position in the Obama administration to pressure government Ukrainian officials into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the energy firm, Burisma, which was paying the younger Biden $50,000 per month to sit on its board of directors.

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U.S. Experts Warn Canada Is Losing the Fight Against PRC Criminal Networksā€”Washington Has Run Out of Patience

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Video evidence of a cash delivery at a TD Bank branch in the DOJ case.

 

In Part 2 ofĀ The Bureauā€™sĀ exclusive series,Ā a senior U.S. government intelligence expert on Chinese threat networks offers a sobering warning: as U.S. authorities continue an aggressive clampdown on fentanyl supply routes at the southern border, Canada is fast becoming a replacement hub.

The expert says Canadaā€™s lax financial controls and underpowered legal tools are attracting transnational criminal groups from both China and Mexico. Not only is Canada serving as a backdoor for fentanyl and money launderingā€”it is increasingly functioning as a production and redistribution proxy for Chinese triads and cartel-linked operations based in Toronto and Vancouver.

The second half of this explosive interview reveals the extent to which U.S. authorities believe Canadian financial institutionsā€”specifically TD Bankā€”have become vulnerable to infiltration by Chinese drug syndicates.

ā€œTD has some serious exposureā€”directlyā€”from victims,ā€ the expert said. ā€œThink about the 500,000-plus Americans that died [from 2015 to 2024]. Yes, $9 million fine in Canada. But itā€™s not done.ā€

They added a simplistic focus on fentanyl as the only toxic commodity that U.S. national security is concerned with, misses the point.

Canadian cannabis, grown legally or under false licensing schemes, is now a major export commodity for these Chinese crime networks, the expert said. Black-market marijuana is flooding into New York and New Jersey, undercutting legitimate growers in both countries. But more alarmingly, marijuana trafficking is being integrated with fentanyl operations.

ā€œTheyā€™re polydrug traffickers, and theyā€™re transnational. The fentanyl cash, the marijuana, the ketamineā€”itā€™s all moving through the same networks.ā€

In one investigation, U.S. agents uncovered evidence that a Chinese student hired to move fentanyl proceeds was also selling cannabis and ketamine. In Vancouver,Ā The BureauĀ reported, authorities found precursor chemicals and crystalline substances at Chinese mafia-run cannabis farms. The expert confirmed this is no coincidence.

ā€œAbsolutely. Iā€™ve seen marijuana laced with all kinds of substancesā€”including fentanyl.ā€

This hybrid Western Hemisphere trafficking model, U.S. experts contend, is now headquartered in Canadian cities. In the assessment of some analysts, Chinese-Canadian crime lords have eclipsed their Mexican-Chinese counterparts. Whatever the hierarchyā€”fluid, compartmentalized, and shaped by Chinese political dynamicsā€”it remains of interest to Western intelligence. Figures such as Tse Chi Lop, Xizi Li, and Zhenli Ye Gon are not mere criminal outliers. They are billionaire architects of underground economies, maneuvering through illicit financial systems and Communist Party influence networks with the sophistication of multinational CEOs.

ā€œVery easy for them to stash $200 or $300 million in one of their properties,ā€ at any time, the senior U.S. expert confirmed.

The only difference between these financial masters and traditional corporate barons, is that toxically fatal synthetic drugs and weaving blood money into Chinaā€™s global economic footprint is their main business line.

The second half of this interview begins with a crucial question for Canadaā€™s financial system and governance: Are Canadian banks exposed directly to Chinese organized crimeā€”and could U.S. government criminal investigations and civil actions reach into corporate and government realms in Canada?

The U.S. government expert makes the sensitive observation that in the TD Bank case, senior management appears to have turned a blind eye to branches staffed by, and serving, the Chinese communityā€”branches that accepted massive deliveries of drug cash. The deliveries can be seen on video tapes from the DOJā€™s case.

InĀ The Bureauā€™sĀ own investigationĀ into a scheme involving massive, fraudulent Chinese income mortgage loans in Toronto, branch-level staff at HSBC serving the Chinese community were implicated. Offshore income verifications were signed off for earnings that were plainly absurd and easily disprovable: individuals living in Toronto during the COVID-19 pandemic claiming to earn over $300,000 in remote-work jobs purportedly based in China.

According to a whistleblower, the same community-level structure and lax compliance oversight at senior levels were clearly at play. Documents in thisĀ groundbreaking report support those claimsā€”drawing striking parallels between the U.S. Department of Justiceā€™s investigation into TD Bank andĀ The Bureauā€™s own findings in Toronto diaspora community banking.

An email from a whistleblower in a Toronto HSBC branch.

 

Additionally, the U.S. senior expert spoke to the political and financial turmoil surrounding President Donald Trumpā€™s global tariff regime, which appears to be tied to the growing risk of direct superpower conflict. The expert connected these events to U.S. government efforts to secure North Americaā€”and degrade Chinaā€™s economic and warfighting capacityā€”through trade and financial network regulation and realignment.

ā€œListen, the world is not what it was 10 years ago,ā€ they said.ā€ You have wars in Ukraine. Youā€™ve got Gaza-Israel. You have Taiwan. You have Iran. Youā€™ve got Yemen. So you have a lot of instability. And the one thing weā€™re going to do as a nation is make sure that our borders are safeā€”especially in an unstable world. So I think thatā€™s also part of the much broader geopolitical picture of whatā€™s going on.ā€

To begin the second half of the interview, the U.S. expert offered this blunt observation:

ā€œItā€™s an interesting take on TD. I remember that case vividlyā€”bags of cash going straight into the bank. I mean, if you or I brought a bag of cash into a branch, what would happen to us? Right?ā€

This interview was edited lightly for length and clarity.


Sam Cooper:Ā So let me ask you thisā€”because I really want to dig into this. I broke the story about the bags of cash moving through casinos in British Columbia, and now Iā€™m seeing some clear connectivity. Is that what made TD Bank an outlier?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā I think the highest-level actors we saw were Chinaloa and her husband, Xizi Li. In recent years, from a money laundering perspective, he was designated a CPO for the DEAā€”thatā€™s a Consolidated Priority Organization Target. Basically, he reached the level of a top-tier target. Heā€™s kingpin level. I mean, the guy owned casinos too.

Can I say I know they had many pickups that they orchestrated in New York? Absolutely. The issue is youā€™re in an Asian community, Chinese organized crime, and youā€™ve got access to millions of dollars in cash, and you need to get it into a systemā€”culturallyā€”if a Chinese national comes in with $100,000, most people in the community would say, ā€œOh, you saved that.ā€ Whereas maybe if I went and did that, it would set off alarms everywhere, right?

Sam Cooper:Ā Itā€™s not happening.

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā But if youā€™ve got a 21-year-old showing up with $3 million, $4 million, $5 million, $6 millionā€”and you have multiple students now going to the same branch, dropping off millions of dollarsā€”and youā€™re only issuing suspicious activity reports.

Because now, youā€™re doing the regulatory responsibility of ā€œLet me cover my ass.ā€

The problem that weā€™ve seen is the accounts stay open. And the flow of money, without any kind of diligence on that, is tremendously problematic. And the money continues to flow. So the bank is doing great. Iā€™m a branch. Iā€™m bringing in 10X my closest bank branch. Now youā€™re getting kudos. That manager is being looked at as extremely successful.

So from my risk perspective, I look at it and say, ā€œThereā€™s something going on.ā€ At what level are the protocols in place for that bank to be able to determine that risk? And is it just hereā€”granular, right at the branch level? Is there a regional? Is there a national? Is there an international level? And I think that that was the wake-up call for TD. Now, let me say this to you: I donā€™t think itā€™s done with TD.

Sam Cooper:Ā Well, that is something that frankly, really should be important to a lot of the political discussion and national conversation in Canada. It should be part of our current election discourse. Can you talk more about that?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā I think TD nowā€”because of that indictmentā€”think about the victims. Think about the 500,000-plus Americans that died. This is 2015 to 2024 of overdoses and poisonings. I think TD has some serious exposureā€”directlyā€”from victims.

So whatā€™s the next phase then? Civil litigation. Yes, $9 million fine in Canada, but itā€™s not done.

Sam Cooper:Ā This raises what I wanted to ask you. In my mindā€”and Iā€™m thinking I guess along the lines of natural principles of justice, Iā€™m not a trained lawyerā€”why would they not go after the Canadian government?

Because Iā€™ve read a massive FINTRAC reportā€”one thatā€™s particularly revealing when it comes to the Chinese actors involved, as well as the lawyers and law firms it touches on. Iā€™ve seen wire transfers coming in from Hong Kong to a Chinese politically exposed individual in Toronto who is closely connected to Justin Trudeau at a high political level. The same people Iā€™ve investigated in election interference networksā€”Iā€™m now seeing them show up in FINTRAC.

And so in essence, this massive FINTRAC court disclosure provides visibility over the system that you are telling me about in the U.S. government TD Bank case on the student cash collectors.

It also brings in wire transfers from Hong Kong. Essentially, it says: ā€œHereā€™s a group of students in Vancouver and Toronto, and here are electronic funds purportedly sent to cover tuition and housing costs.ā€ But for some reason, these random students are being flagged for moving large sums into not just TD Bank, but most major Canadian banks.

From my read, FINTRAC clearly understands the entire scheme.

But my point here is: whatā€™s the Canadian government done to stop it?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Well, I mean, listen, you’ve heard my opinions on what needs to happen. So again, we are talking about hundreds of law enforcement entities that are also seizing drugs coming down from Canada. It is not only CBP at the border with Canada.

Now, listen, Sam, I think the issue with Canada and drug trafficking is a growing issue. I mean, it’s pretty clear if you seize dozens of laboratories since 2018 in Canada, laboratories to me are a strong indicator that the Mexican cartels and the U.S. drug flows are not meeting the demand in Canada.

So now the production is going to increase to meet that demand in Canada. So theyā€™re way more susceptible to that problem that is continuing to grow.

Sam Cooper:Ā Okay, I want to be clear and underline this because it is really contentious in Canada. Iā€™m speaking to a senior U.S. expert that has said that for Canadians, whether they’re in media or government, to focus on 1% on CBP seizureā€”one, that doesn’t capture all the other reporting. Two, they’re not looking at the super labs, they’re not looking at Chinese Triad command and control in Toronto. They’re not looking at the banks. And theyā€™re basically wrong?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Sam, theyā€™re wrong. The issue isnā€™t a lack of skillā€”there are tremendously capable investigators in the RCMP. The problem is they donā€™t have the legal tools to back them up.

For example, if I seize a drug lab, Iā€™m required to immediately disclose the evidence. That exposes our tradecraft. Once the network knows itā€™s being investigated, we canā€™t pursue them effectively anymore.

So, in effect, the laws are protecting these criminal groups. Thatā€™s why theyā€™re expandingā€”theyā€™re not going away.

Sam Cooper:Ā And thatā€™s why theyā€™re bigger in Canada.

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Exactly. And this is a critical point I want to make. As the U.S. tightens control over the southwest border and ramps up efforts against cartels in Mexico, what do you think happens in Canada? The demand from the U.S. doesnā€™t go away. So who becomes the supplier?
It wonā€™t be the U.S.ā€”weā€™ll shut down those labs, just like we did with the biker gangs in the ā€™80s and ā€™90s.
But Canada? Canadaā€™s role will grow. Thatā€™s my prediction: as the southern border tightens and fewer drugs get through, drug production in Canada will increase.

Sam Cooper:Ā That explains the super labs weā€™re seeing. It all adds up. So just to reiterateā€”Dr. David Asher, a senior U.S. expert, says theĀ StinchcombeĀ disclosure rule is enabling Chinese triads and cartels to thrive in Canada. And as the U.S. cracks down, itā€™s only going to get worse north of the border. And you agree with Asher?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Thatā€™s right.

Sam Cooper:Ā Can you expand on this a bit more? Youā€™ve said that the tri-state investigationā€”and parts of the TD Bank caseā€”show that the U.S. government understands Chinese organized crime is operating across the border. Theyā€™re running pill presses in both countries. Theyā€™re laundering money from Canada. And Canadian cannabisā€”whether legally grown with licenses in Canada or notā€”is flowing into the U.S.

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Thatā€™s right. We call it black-market marijuana here. So even if itā€™s legal in a Canadian province or a U.S. state, once it crosses the border illegally, itā€™s black market. And itā€™s flooding the U.S. Itā€™s undercutting legitimate cannabis businesses down here. Weā€™re seeing criminal organizations making billions off Canadian black-market marijuana.

Sam Cooper:Ā And youā€™d link that to the fentanyl networks too?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Hereā€™s how theyā€™re connected, Sam. In an investigation into a fentanyl distribution ring in New York, we discovered that the traffickersā€”letā€™s say a Dominican distributorā€”would deliver cash proceeds to a Chinese student. But that same student was also selling marijuana and ketamine.

So we start seeing overlap: fentanyl cash, black-market marijuana, ketamineā€”itā€™s all flowing through the same networks. Theyā€™re polydrug traffickers, and theyā€™re transnational. Thatā€™s the real challengeā€”these networks arenā€™t siloed. Theyā€™re integrated and global.

Sam Cooper:Ā That connects to something I saw in Canada. In a bust involving high-level Chinese Communist Partyā€“connected organized crime in Vancouver, they raided a grow-op and found chemical crystalsā€”brown and other colorsā€”in the workshop. That suggests to me they might be lacing the cannabis with serious chemicals.

So that brings together the medical pot licenses in Canada and the Chinese precursor networks in Vancouver. And raised concerns maybe about fentanyl. Have you seen anything like that?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Absolutely. Iā€™ve seen marijuana laced with all kinds of substancesā€”including fentanyl. One big trend in certain U.S. states is cannabis laced with PCP.

Sam Cooper:Ā Okay, letā€™s pivot back to the major players at the top in Canada and Mexico. Are you able to color in anything more about this Tse Chi Lap network in Toronto?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā What I know about him isā€”he was one of these guys that came across our radar early on, but more heavily Asia- and Canada-focused. He crossed into the U.S. He was one of the biggest guys in the world at the time.

And now that he kind of opened a door for a lot of thisā€”in my opinionā€”heā€™s one of those guys that was a trailblazer in international crime in the Chinese community.

So thatā€™s how I see him. I kind of see himā€”You remember Zhenli Ye Gon?

Sam Cooper:Ā Yeah. The $200 million seized in his hacienda in Mexico City, right?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā $207 millionā€”that was reported. Where was the other $300 million?

My point is that youā€™re talking about these high-level, high-stakes movers and shakers that are connected to the government of China, to organized crime, and to other international organized crime groups. The other thing is the portion of that money was in euros. So how is he getting euros in Mexico City? So it wasnā€™t like he was just making money in the United States. It was literally a global empire.

Sam Cooper:Ā He’s international. So you put Tse Chi Lap from Toronto of Sam Gor in that type of placement?

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Iā€™d say absolutely. Heā€™s operating at that level. No question about itā€”if not higher.

Sam Cooper:Ā And to put it in perspectiveā€”these are the type of people that in one of their mansions that are around the world, at any time you could find $200ā€“300 million, just sitting around.

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Yes. Very easy. Or itā€™s invested in other areas. I think there was so much money with Zhenli Ye Gon, there was more money in the financial system that I think was never tracked.

Arguably thereā€™s well over half a billion still out there. So thatā€™s the sort of level that youā€™re operating on.

And nowā€”quite franklyā€”things have changed from then to now. I think because thereā€™s a lot more scrutiny, but at least in the U.S.ā€”not the same in Canada.

I think Canada is behind the U.S. in their ability to go after these international criminal networks. And I think that as talented as many of their investigators are, I think thereā€™s a plan for change. At least thereā€™s a fundamental plan for change in law enforcement in Canada.

The issue is the law. I understand that there’s a balance between privacy and security. I completely respect that. But youā€™ve got to be able to save human lives.

Because the impact of a criminal group is not just the most obvious impactā€”someone dies. Itā€™s the community. Itā€™s the family. Itā€™s the town. Itā€™s the village. Itā€™s the city.

Itā€™s all the ramifications of the healthcare system, of the criminal justice system. All those things are now impacted by criminality and to the tunes of unimaginable amounts of money.

So as a country, itā€™s a balance. You have to have the tools and the ability to hold people accountable. Itā€™s a very fundamental principle of human nature. Without itā€”itā€™s chaos.

Sam Cooper:Ā I think you just very poetically nailed what I thinkā€”and what I believe that smart people with a lot of experience in the United States and Canada now feel. They know that Canadaā€™s balance has gone off in that area. And thatā€™s why some people up high in the U.S. government are looking at Canada.

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Yes. Because I think the balance has shifted in Canada in recent times. And thatā€™s why you had a Trump administration very much focused on national securityā€”and obviously the tariffsā€”but also, I think that all goes hand in hand. I donā€™t think itā€™s one versus the other. I think itā€™s all part of a much broader strategy.

That we have to safeguard our economies. We have to safeguard our citizens. And Canada has to do the same thing. Canada has to do the same thingā€”especially going forward.

Listen, the world is not what it was 10 years ago. You have wars in Ukraine. Youā€™ve got obviously Gaza-Israel. You have growing threats from China surrounding Taiwan. You have Iran. Youā€™ve got Yemen. So you have a lot of instability.

And the one thing weā€™re going to do as a nation is make sure that our borders are safeā€”especially in an unstable world. So I think thatā€™s also part of the much broader geopolitical picture of whatā€™s going on.

Sam Cooper:Ā So thatā€™s a good message for Canadians that are upset and worriedā€”and frankly, they feel disrespectedā€”about the tariffs. But youā€™re saying thereā€™s a bigger global pictureā€”smart people are trying to secure themselves.

Senior U.S. Expert:Ā Of course. Look whatā€™s going on across the world. Why do you see Vice President Vance going to Greenland? I mean, why would we go there? This is why weā€™re in Panama.

You have 17 Peopleā€™s Republic of China ports in the Western Hemisphere. Look at the port down in Peru they built. Thatā€™s a military-size port thatā€™s run by a Chinese governor.

So we have changing conditions, changing environment.

And so it calls for tight security. Certainly, as an American, we see Canadians as our closest allies. Thatā€™s not going to change. Weā€™re so similar. We are.

But weā€™re in precarious times right now, Sam. And so thatā€™s why I say all these things are interconnected. Itā€™s not just one percent of fentanyl coming from Canada to the United States.

And for someone to look at one piece of dataā€”youā€™re missing the point completely. Right? So thatā€™s what I would end with on that.

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